How do you think they would perform in a deployment, or at a remote assignment like Turkey or Greenland, or if they married and their future spouse later divorced them? Having inconsistencies on your forms vs verbal answers is usually a major issue and will make it very difficult for you to get into the Marines now. They may lie about behaviors, charges, and other possible information that could disqualify them from enlisting in the military. Integrity is what you do or how you act when no one is watching. A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. Should I lie and say the scar is from an accident like jumping over a fence that needed stitches? Sometimes Its in medical professionals best interests to lie. So we met a few days later and met his shadow that will be taking his place and filled out all the medical paperwork. My 90 day period was more like 2 months, because that's when they called me back for a followup, so it wouldn't have made sense (distance traveled and financially) to go back a month later for a '90 day' followup. It happened to be depression and medication for it. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. Has "just asking for a friend" EVER worked, even if true? I plan on waiting the 6 months. Free online program to promote the safety and well-being of military families. They might nowWhy would you pose a question on a public website. I had the surgery in august of 2014. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. So a few days later I went to MEPS but before we went we had to fill more paperwork out. lie at MEPS? I'm certain they won't be. I was still in high school, wrecked my car and tore up my hand a few weeks later, was medically discharged :/. My experience: I told the truth about something that should have been a non-issue. I don't want to waste the time of past professors and employers if it doesn't matter. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? And you'll be sidelined forever. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Option 2: Lie. Press J to jump to the feed. What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ? Bit of stretch that anybody would have any insight on this subject, but the only thing stopping me from getting accepted for MEPS is my LASIK documentation. Am I in danger like my friend said? They do that at the School of Infantry. Telling them what I told the recruiter and what he told me. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. #12. The cousin survived, and revealed she was deep in a gambling debt. broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. I feel like this is a test so see if I won't bother to accrue some letters regardless and I'm not sure what to do. MEPS consult will do the corneal mapping, so no, we don't just guess at the diagnosis. After seeing the counselor for about 3 months, he was diagnosed with Dysthymia and Social Anxiety Disorder (SAD). !, Military Life and Issues, 8 replies Lying scumbag Johnson on MSNBC lying-no challenge from host, Elections, 31 replies I think the individual is still at the MEPS stage of enlistment, and if I have understood him correctly, he is awaiting a medical waiver of sorts. A young man decided to join the Air Force and contacted a Recruiter. Know what makes you a poor candidate. All Rights Reserved. Can You Fix a Lie on Your SF-86 Questionnaire? Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Your insistence on snapping back or being defensive only adds evidence to a immaturity that will not serve the military. Make it impossible to lie? I realize you were told to lie, but you should have refused. If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. So you want to start a career founded on integrity by lying? Let's all throttle back a bit. Tough but that is what it is when they find out. 48.3k Members 151 Online Created Sep 13, 2012 Join Top posts december 6th 2015 Top posts of december, 2015 Top posts 2015 A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. There's been zero issues from the surgery and was absolutely necessary as I couldn't do more than 10 pushups without the wrist being in terrible pain. Also, if that user name is actually your name it's a sign that you might not really be very good at this subterfuge thing. The girl with the suicide attempt would not be allowed to enlist today though. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I didn't want to throw anybody the bus just want the correct paperwork to be done because it would take a google search to find all that medical stuff on me and I would like to work in government, What do I do? JavaScript is disabled. He did well on the entrance exams and was motivated to succeed. He stopped seeing the counselor after only 6 months from beginning counseling and successfully continued his college education. So they just left that section blank and filled in the most recent appointment, making it look as if i never went in at all until just the other day. Generally speaking, no. I'm guessing you're done. She passed all the exams and was cleared, then went to BMT and performed well. Never saw him again. Thanks! So do you think the cost is worth the benefit? The main difference between them is that with LASIK, a corneal flap is created and replaced, and with LASEK, the top layer of the cornea is loosened, moved, and reattached. The flap is then placed back into its original position. You must log in or register to reply here. Anyways I called him a few weeks ago telling him I am interested. Personally, go find another doctor that is ex-military that can weed through the BS. They don't pull up your records unless you need a clearance or unless it comes up. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. So what are the lessons from these stories? This includes lying by omission (leaving information out) and lying by commission (purposefully misleading). Just get off the meds asap, and keep your shit together for however long your recruiter says you need to. It could just be too early that they do not want to be responsible if there is a tear due to your eyes are still healing. That sent me down a long road of having to get a waiver for something that had no current medical basis and was utter medical fraud. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. For instance another friend went to meps and when he was doing the eye portion he was wearing contacts and the guy checking him didn't even notice. The wrist has handled push ups every other day since I was cleared to get back to it and my eyes are perfect, but I'll know for sure at 6 months. Though would documentation from a psychologist count as documentation from a doctor bc I dont know how familiar doctor at a hospital would be with something related to a different field of medicine. Should I be honest with my recruiter and try to get a waiver? Quite a few of the guys in my squadron had a screw lose. You should have had a post-op visit to measure refractions at 90 days post-op and then another 30 days after that visit.https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS. He told them. Any advice? Unfortunately, she needed to go to sick call several times for persistent coughing. They don't understand how a broken leg or asthma when they were a kid can come back, they don't understand how mental issues are severely exacerbated under stress-- because they think their phone breaking is stress, and they dealt with that just fine. The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. First, you didn't believe your OR so you called his boss who said the same thing, and then you come here looking for validation of the opposite advice. Talked to a bunch of people about it and asked why does it say "no" if clearly should have been "yes". My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. why worry about it if it becomes a problem deal with it then. So its been about 2 weeks now and have been too scared to talk to him. 1. The young man did see another counselor in the same clinic, who identified several other stressors in his life, including moving away from home to begin college, worries about the cost of college, and a strong fear of public speaking. On the way to Meps we got a call from the Chief who asked us if we had ever been asked to lie, had criminal charges etc. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Anyone with any experience or advice? My knees were pretty well shot after 4 years active 11B. LASIK and LASEK are forms of corrective refractive eye surgeries, and both reshape corneas permanently. they'll find out if you need a Top Secret security clearance or if the issue comes up. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. Then I met his boss; Sub-station commander. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Questions about joining the Marines? Some background, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was younger and thus have ADHD and have a prescription for but find that I dont really need it for things other than standardized tests which is not really al that ADHD related Im just a bad test taker. What Is The Biggest Lie You Ever Heard, Told Or Someone Told You? LASIK Surgery Checklist. I know I have to be able to function without medication and I can, but have not been consistently been of the medication simply because of the existence of standardized tests should I lie to my recruiter and say that while I have such a prescription I have been off it for atleast the minimum time period states or should I be honest because in reality it doesnt take a long time to get off a medication completely atleast for ADHD medications which are stimulants and what they dont know wont hurt them because my ADHD does not really effect me much at all anymore. I played my "sax" a lot in basic. Keratinous is NOT trifling; it is the major cause for corneal transplant in the US-a very expensive medical issue. May 14, 2016 Just a note, if you decide to lie about it, you need to be sure that you won't let it slip sometime later. Seems ridiculous that I had the surgery over a year ago and this is the only thing stopping me from getting processed in MEPs. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. The paper requests numbers from the pre-surgery, 90 days after pre-surgery, and a month after that. Station commander looked at my medical paperwork and said word-for-word: " You stick to the script. The forms tell you that you must disclose it. Here is the Press Release. Alright, you've got me interested. Hello, thank you everyone for this forum, it has been incredibly helpful. And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. However, you do sign a paper that allows the navy to look through your medical history if something bad happens during training. I have enough money saved to get the surgery, and I'm willing to wait the 180 days, but I don't know how available that waiver is, and my OR doesn't recommend doing anything that will create more hurdles for me to get past at MEPS, stating each hurdle decreases my chances of becoming an officer. So I'm trying to go into USMC and I have been talking with this recruiter for a few months now. Right now, between your profile information and this post, you're what we like to call a "tool bag". In the end, I did everything I could to prove I was completely fine. How do recruiters get medical records to MEPS for a med read? Press J to jump to the feed. Yes, you need to be caught in the lie, but that isn't as difficult as you might think. I got both of these surgeries in order to be a seal, and would fucking hate if the reason I can't get in are the very surgeries I got in order to qualify for training. In hindsight, had I known this disaster of 'hurry up and wait' would happen I would have waited another month to check in. I was honest at MEPS. It allows MEPS to see your entire Electronic Health Record (EHR). I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn't they found it at meps . MEPS' job is the same as the recruiter's job. Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. They are looking for consistency". No personally identifying information (PII). You're assuming her recruiter didn't know With the rise of electronic medical records it'll become extremely hard to lie for meps. When we started to fill out similar questions with the recruiter I started saying 'yes' on some of the questions. She went to the SGTs and the Chaplin professing that she lied at MEPs. I knew she couldn't hack it but she joined anyways). This isn't the place, and you aren't the expert. She said a recent one had about 30 pages regarding the procedure. Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. Should I lie/not mention LASIK when I finally go to MEPs? a) Check our wiki b) Run a search c) Post your question with a *clear and specific title*, Press J to jump to the feed. By logging into your account, you agree to our. MEPS, short for Military Entrance Processing, rolled out a new system yesterday called MHS Genesis. This disorder was triggered in BMT from a previously undisclosed mental condition. Or just give up and wait for a couple of years? Does MEPS pull your military medical records. If they don't find anything during their examinations, you should be good to go. They determined she only had typical "walking" pneumonia, meaning she would just be held back for 1-2 weeks and join another BMT flight to graduation. The military is used to this, and they really don't care down the road. 4,250. Long story short, I broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. Its like a doctor told my dad he was going to need immediate knee surgery. About 3 years before joining the Air Force, his cousin attempted suicide. These include conditions like depression, bipolar disorder, epilepsy, heart issues, Asperger's, and PTSD. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. 2. You need to disclose it. As a result, his history of mental health wasn't assessed by MEPS. Am I? My friend says I might be in danger for being honest. He was counseled, evaluated, and treated for EIA. However, they also discovered that the member received some depression counseling about 2 years before her MEPS visit, which she conveniently omitted. See TheBeneGesseritWitch's guide on Paths to become an Officer. While there, he experienced the emotionally stressful and physically demanding environment of being a Trainee at Lackland AFB. Wait 1-3 years off the medication. Once you have gone through initial questioning phases with your recruiter and have discussed your options, your recruiter will set an. He hadn't told them he had lasik. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. First, you are the one liable WHEN you get busted lying. I was planning on saying the wrist scar was from jumping over the fence as a kid or something like that. When I went to MEPs, like most people, I had something to lie about. Some typical things that people lie about at MEPS include: Medical History He said that there is a good chance that I could lose my op 40. I had the active prescription but wasnt taking them. Below are abstractions of a true stories. If they ask, tell them it's a scar from when you were a kid. You're still not getting it. This experience also likely caused further stress and worsened his long-term mental health because he was suddenly out of a multi-year career, and wasted many weeks of his and the Air Force's time. Second, I got a ganglion cyst removed last summer. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Now the most commonly performed eye laser surgery, LASIK involves creating a partial-thickness corneal flap and using an excimer laser to ablate the bed of the cornea. if the issue will not comprise your ability to serve in your unit and MOS, keep your mouth shut.. What about me? Don't they pull your medical records, or did this happen after they checked? That's just the way it happens. So I handed all of my medical and education records that he said to not worry about to the recruiter. Because of his failure to disclose his medical history at MEPS and it's discovery while he was on Medical Hold, he was administratively discharged from the Air Force without completing BMT for Fraudulent Enlistment. Accidentally or on purpose are applicable. Never got caught. Don't even mention the scar unless they ask then keep it minimal "that was just from when I was a kid" if they ask more "yeah I was biking and fell" simple is good. 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